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Dispatches – 4 May 2013

PhilJourdan May 3, 7:12 pm @ suyts, asked me; So talk to us about UKIP. I have read some, but would like your take on their recent victories.

Ah, where to begin?

First, you have to bear in mind that I’m approaching my 70th Birthday. The brain is still active even though the body isn’t quite the athletically toned temple it once was. The reason I’ve started off with this piece of totally irrelevant information is to put whatever follows into some sort of context.

A UKIP-supporter’s profile, as seen by the MSM (LSM) and sundry lefties, would fit me to a tee; a middle-aged, white, middle-class, reactionary old git who likes to hark back to the days of Empire and Victorian values. Close, but no banana. I am, actually, working class from a long line of working class folk.

I’m a small-c conservative, who loves the progress that mankind has made over the last 50-60 years. There is no way I would wish to return even back as far as the ’80s (most of the music was crap, anyway) but there has been a more invidious attack on the sorts of values I do subscribe to.

I believe in capitalism and a true free-market economy. Only by rewarding invention, risk and personal endeavour will mankind make the beneficial improvements that enable the state (via taxes) to provide for the truly needy. The state is intrinsically incapable of picking prospective winners in the game of life because without the fear of failure, to focus the mind, true innovation is stifled. If you know that someone else is picking up the tab, why on earth would you ensure your product/service is fit for purpose? You would simply end up designing stuff to please civil servants who are totally incapable of the rational, selective thinking required for a free market culture. Top-heavy state machinery stifles innovation by creating rules designed to satisfy political agendas.

Where we have given ammunition to the commies and the useful idiots of the Occupy-type movements is in the failure to allow a true free-market economy to do its stuff. We ended up bailing out, and worse, rewarding, the very corporatists who are mistakenly seen as the epitome of capitalism. A couple of banks were allowed to fall, to placate the masses, but then $billions were pumped into the rest of them. All the various governments have done is delay the inevitable whilst ensuring the increasing wealth of the least deserving. A few token low-order employees got a nominal punishment but the big boys wandered off into the sunset, pensions tucked snugly in their back pockets.

Most of the above is, to be fair, not considered by your average man-in-the-street in quite the depth I have written. But he knows, instinctively, that something is rotten in the State of Denmark and, whilst not fully grasping the subtleties, has decided the Government and the big Corporations are getting too cosy. And he is starting to suspect that this cosiness is not working in his best interest.

Some other things are easier to define; the European Union has never been a love of the working and middle classes but, apart from the occasional piece of nonsense such as Brussels requiring bananas to be straight, the MSM has kept the worst of EU hindrance out of the public gaze. Few people realise how the British State machinery tends to double-down on various bits of regulation that Brussels sends out to members. Few realise that many other EU members have a far more selective approach to these rules; France is notorious for cherry-picking the bits it wants to implement and ignoring the bits it doesn’t like. This is one of the reasons the Westminster cabal have avoided the Referendum debate for so long; once the population gets even a hint of what’s going on they will vote OUT before the ink is dry on the ballot paper.

I suspect that two key things, in recent years, have made the man in the street take a deeper interest in the goings on in Europe. First, we have the shameful scandal of the ongoing Abu Qatada farce. The government (this one and the previous one) has been trying to get rid of this evil man for something like ten years and the extradition to Jordan keeps being over-ruled by the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights). This mob isn’t strictly part of the Brussels merry-go-round but, in a lot of peoples’ minds, it’s just part of the same setup. A little background here; note the comment towards the end of the piece about how the rest of the signatories seem to find a way around this problem.

The other key factor is the EU’s open border policy. Sold to the masses as allowing job seekers freedom of movement around the member states to find work wherever they wanted, again we see that this is another thing that doesn’t quite work as smoothly as we are told. Try getting a job in France with even high quality UK qualifications and these recognised skills are deemed not satisfactory over there. Like most EU ideas, the Law of Unintended Consequences, bit the UK hardest of all. When the Eastern European countries eventually joined, the last Labour Government managed to welcome, with open arms, several hundred thousand of these so-called workers into the country. Many came to work, it’s true, but a very large number came for the social security benefits, and other handouts, that we didn’t set qualification limitations for. Now the Labour Party is sort of, not quite, almost apologising for the unrestricted immigration they failed to control during their watch and local communities are paying the price.

Inner-city schools have high percentages of non-native pupils, many of them speaking no English, which puts the whole education system under stress. Local housing has tended to give priority to immigrants and ‘asylum seekers’ again to the detriment of local people trying to find accommodation.

Local healthcare systems are struggling with similar problems of language, high birth rates and constant pressure to meet targets.

People are realising that ‘outsiders’ have taken jobs that may have been there for themselves, or their children, and they feel aggrieved. The fact that many of these foreign workers are taking jobs that the locals probably wouldn’t have applied for is neither here nor there. It’s the perception that counts and the perception is that Europe is to blame.

This is but a short introduction on why UKIP’s time may have arrived. The anti-European Union sentiment has always had a simmering base but while the times were good, people bit the bullet and let it wash over them. But the times aren’t good and the spotlight is about to be switched on. I doubt the pro-EU people are looking forward to it.

At a more general level, I sense that people are getting fed up with your average, dissembling, patronising, rent-seeking, expenses-troughing MP who, almost without exception, has proven him/herself more than happy to line their own pockets whilst ignoring the suffering of constituents. There are exceptions, no doubt, and those who do work hard for their local communities will, unfortunately, get tarred with the same dirty brush as the bad ones. Shame but they could always vote their conscience in Parliament; so, no sympathy.

The mainstream parties used to like to force an impression of UKIP as a far-right, racist party and the ‘race’ card worked well until people had to face the day-to-day consequences of uncontrolled immigration and all of a sudden that card has started to be withdrawn but the people remember and won’t forgive those who opened the doors and added to the nation’s troubles.

At a personal level, I have no problem with purposeful immigration or granting asylum to those in need. Britain has a fine history of holding out a helping hand but we don’t like having the mickey taken.

UKIP has been drawing support from all shades of the political spectrum and this will be the biggest worry for the Whitehall mob; the old accusation that only disaffected old Tories switched to UKIP just doesn’t hold water anymore.

James Delingpole has a great series of blogs on the recent UKIP upsurge. In the comments you will see all manner of reasons why different folk want to see a change in Britain.


One final thought from me;

A curse on all their houses (except UKIP).


25 thoughts on “Dispatches – 4 May 2013

  1. Excellent analysis. Glad you have spotted what the MSM repeatedly miss [and the Tories too]. Lots of UKIP voters come from the ‘won’t vote don’t vote’ category and therefore have come in under the radar. I’m one of them. I voted UKIP in the last general election but didn’t vote in the 3 before that because I could not bring myself to vote labour or tory. I never considered voting lib dem.

    I will be standing as a candidate in our county elections which are next year. I am hoping to ride the wave because people have seen now that voting UKIP is not a protest anymore, it’s a way forward, a way out of the mess. my biggest hope is to be the first county with a UKIP majority. Clue -we are in the east of England.

    Doubtless we will make mistakes but as long as we get out of the EU, at least they will be our mistakes.

    Posted by Me again | May 4, 2013, 10:52 pm
    • Not you again 😉

      Thanks for your kind comment and good luck in the future. If I wasn’t so desperate to actually live my dream of spending 6 months per year in France, I might well have put myself up in the next locals. We didn’t have a local election this time around which WAS VERY FRUSTRATING!!!!

      Posted by grumpydenier | May 4, 2013, 11:01 pm
  2. UKIP vote is payback time for a political class that has lost the plot
    By Christopher Booker (Sunday Telegraph)
    The party’s success is the tremor before the political earthquake

    Posted by grumpydenier | May 5, 2013, 12:08 am
  3. I read, and want to respond. But there is too much (and it is approaching midnight). So I will bookmark this and return.

    Thanks for writing it.

    Posted by PhilJourdan | May 5, 2013, 4:00 am
  4. Yes we have made tremendous strides forward, and the UK led some of those changes.

    Most of the changes for the better are technological advances originating almost exclusively from the private sectors, entrepreneurs and capitalists. These changes have liberated our educational and career options, medical care and new treatments have improved our quality of life, car ownership improved our day to day existence.

    Socially we have lurched in the opposite direction to an alarming extent, mostly thanks to traitors and socialists. The destruction of the family, marriage etc. Mountains of inhibiting legislation, divisive social policies, social engineering and brainwashing etc. Successive governments have increased our responsibilities and reduced our rights, in other words they refuse to for us and pass the buck back to us along with a bill for their services.

    Posted by climatefraudwatcher | May 5, 2013, 5:32 pm
  5. First a couple of off topic comments about your narrative:

    ” as the ’80s (most of the music was crap, anyway)”

    Another point of agreement!

    “Top-heavy state machinery stifles innovation by creating rules designed to satisfy political agendas.”

    I tried to explain that to someone recently, but fear I failed. I like the succinctness of your statement and will use it the next time.

    As for the piece, thank you. I do not know if the UKIP percentages will hold up come the next national election. I hope your assessment is accurate. I know that GB is farther down the dependency hole than the US, and if you can start a comeback, the holds out hope for us.

    The charges of racism are status quo for the left on any threat to their hegemony. But I am seeing some backlash here in that many are tuning out the accusations. They have become so ludicrous that only idiots and the mind numbed partisan (but then I repeat myself) believe it any longer. It is a source of jokes (just as “It is Bush’s fault” is a standing joke).

    It will be interesting to see how the power elite in GB react to the upstarts. Or if there is anything they can really do.

    Posted by PhilJourdan | May 6, 2013, 2:14 am
    • How can anyone who has the clarity of thought demonstrated by you two, not like the best music period ever?
      If you add in 79 and go through to 89. It is in my mind the best of everything. After that it went down rappers and pappers hill so fast it took my breath away…..

      Posted by Me again | May 6, 2013, 2:17 pm
      • There may be a few stand-outs but, without trawling thru’ an awful lot of discographies, none spring to mind.

        Age, maybe, is withering the vine but I can count on the fingers of both hands the names that really stick. I’m stuck out in the garden atm so can’t develop this debate but feel free to post your list. I’m always happy to concede when shown a decent argument.

        Posted by grumpydenier | May 6, 2013, 2:31 pm
        • It just means that you can’t hold the title ‘Grumpy old Denier’.
          I guess that is still my unchallenged accolade……..

          On the UKIP trail [as a member for 4 years] I was a tad disappointed when on the politics show [sunday] Nigel did not have a ready reply to the female interrogator when asked what UKIP councillors would bring to county councils.

          He could have said ‘the same as any other person new to the job and finding their way’
          He could have said ‘Non partisan decisions, they will vote conscience and not party unless they coincide’
          He could have said ‘A Libertarian approach. To try to reduce the cost to the public of massive local government and put a cap on earnings for the top tier of management’

          But he didn’t. He waffled about windfarms, then when the smart arse female interrogator said, well that’s not a problem for Kent because theirs are all offshore [bastards how did they wangle that?] and local government doesn’t deal with offshore, his come back was poor and wandered off track about expensive energy.

          Posted by Me again | May 6, 2013, 2:42 pm
          • Give the man time. He’s gone from Zero to Hero in a blink of the eye. It’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll get ambushed along the way; it’s the way the MSM works when dealing with threats to the status quo.

            I saw another interview where he did defend against a similar technique and pretty well replied using your thoughts.

            When I get time, I’ll see if I can track it down. With ‘her indoors’ not minding the shop today, I’m being forced to do gardening an’ stuff. Hard on the back, don’tcha know?

            Posted by grumpydenier | May 6, 2013, 3:48 pm
          • @YouAgain

            I found the clip on Look East (BBC East Anglia)

            UKIP leader Nigel Farage: East ‘bore brunt of immigration’

            Posted by grumpydenier | May 6, 2013, 4:37 pm
      • I guess I saw the late 60s and early 70s as the best (Disco killed the era). The likes of the mid year Beattles (not the early or late years), the Doors, the Moody Blues, Led Zepplin and SOUL! – there was nothing in the 80s that compared!

        Posted by philjourdan | May 6, 2013, 7:08 pm
        • Got one word for you. Punk. -Clash, Sham 69, Jilted John, Skids…..

          Another two words. New Wave.

          Jam, Boomtown Rats, Police, Lena, Annie Lennox,

          Thanks for the link to the BBC thing it has cheered me up. Can’t understand why he couldn’t come up with stuff like that for the South East woman

          Posted by Me again | May 6, 2013, 7:27 pm
        • I can’t seem to reply at the correct insertion point. I am responding to your post which says:-
          “Without corrupting Grumpy’s blog, I will leave you with this thought. There is a reason the meaning of “punk” is what it is. He may not be my brother, but he is heavy (metal).”

          I wholly appreciate ‘he ain’t heavy’ and resent that the song ‘You’ll never walk alone’ is a football anthem. What a waste, it is such a marvelous song to hum when you are in the shit and about to walk deeper into it -voluntarily- as for me 31 years ago! Ha, ha.

          Posted by Me again | May 6, 2013, 7:45 pm
          • If you get email notifications (I do), there is a “reply” button at the bottom that sticks it in the right place.

            My mother hated my music (she only said she liked one Moody Blues song), and I am not fond of my Children’s music. God’s curse on parents I guess. 😉

            Posted by philjourdan | May 6, 2013, 7:56 pm
  6. The Rise of the UKIP ‘Hedgehogs’
    The ‘foxes’ of European politics have presided over a still-ongoing car crash.

    A divide has opened in British politics. It is not between north and south, or left and right, but between hedgehogs and foxes.


    Posted by grumpydenier | May 6, 2013, 10:35 am
  7. [Don’t you have somebody to stitch up with some renewable BS?…Snip]

    Posted by Raymond | May 6, 2013, 6:25 pm
  8. I caught the link over at Suyts before getting to the comments I had missed.

    Posted by philjourdan | May 6, 2013, 6:51 pm
  9. I’ve upped the thread depth to 6 now so it might allow the discussion to flow. I’ll keep an eye on it.

    Posted by grumpydenier | May 6, 2013, 8:10 pm

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